lichess.org
Donate

Is the lack of any premove time penalty an exploitable flaw?!

Sometimes KC doesn't actually premove in the video, but waits for the move to be transmitted from WBM. Hovering over the square with the piece.
That means there'll be reaction time in the equation as well.

Forgot to mention that in my previous post.
yeah true dutch patzer, against the super super quick guys like ferrari Hiimgosu and WBM, KC seems to not quite premove properly and hence lose quite a lot of time in scrambles, maybe like GM Chessbrahs said to KC last night: it could also be KC's mouse? maybe he would do better if he got a gaming mouse, Eric said that boosted his speed lots
What's Kc's ping? I'd be interested if anyone that watches the chessbrah stream knew what ping they had too. Undoubtedly the superfast mouse speed of Hansen/Hambleton is helpful, but most players from Northern America that I've played seem to have very little lag from what I've seen
#22 Funny enough, I have just ordered a gaming mouse and should be able to let you see or know any differences in a few days from now. However, even if a Gaming mouse is a very positive thing for results, I still wonder about the server trying to level the playing field more by incurring a small time penalty.
@KC
I have noticed the same as dutchpatzer, So many times you have better position plus time advantage versus your nemesis and while he is making true pre-moves, you are hovering with pieces and continuing to care about the integrity of the position. Whybemad will sacrifice the kitchen sink just to beat you by 0.1 seconds and cares little for the end position.
IMO just because you play in a more attractive way does not mean you deserve to win. Got to finish they prey off ruthlessly by any means necessary.
Usain Bolt does not care that if the race was a few miles longer that Mo Farah would win easily ie Usain does what he does best within the rules of the race he is in.
It is just my preference, as someone with limited chess training and ability , I want to use and defend the right to steal a time win against a better player.
Igorkoc knows what I am talking about as I time won against him shamelessly to get my highest bullet rating :))

I agree with Kingscrusher not because I saw the points he makes in his videos, and also in GM Hansen's videos, but mainly because I struggle with the lack of time penalty myself.

I have many lost games against much higher rated players not because I was crushed strategically or positionally, but because there was no time penalty for my opponents' premoves. So I most always lose on time, though I get checkmated a lot, too - no doubt about it.

I don't claim to be a super chessplayer, but I'd like to see some reality embedded into games here. Because, quite frankly, NOONE here would be able to play, OTB, 30 moves within 2 seconds. Thanks to technology, here they can, and it's completely unfair for everyone.

I think everyone here, including OP, has no doubt GM Hansen is the strongest player on lichess. And in that league, though somewhat weaker, are also IM Fins, IM Hiimgosu, and some others.

So I find them all stronger than Kingscrusher for example, but this doesn't mean WhyBeMad, who's also a top player, is better than Kingscrusher. WhyBeMad does regularly win against KC, but not due to strategy or position, but due to time. And WhyBeMad is nowhere near GM Hansen & Co, even though rating would suggest so.

All in, I would suggest adding one fraction of a second, say 0.1 per premove. It is more than fair, and if you think about it, it's really no big deal... 2 seconds still allow lots of premoves at 0.1 per premove!
I think internet connection speed or stability is a big factor but that's life and it is like that with every computer game. It's 2015 so if anyone wants to gain any advantage they can get they know what to do.

Same with a gaming mouse or something that you feel comfortable with.

Abotu Bullet: the truth is that even with implementation of the 0.1 minimum you'll have the same guys at the very top even if they play a bit different. With a minimum 0.1 it makes berserking very hard and also makes winning a good position harder. The same skills needed in 0.1 are needed here.

Take a position where you have a king and a passed pawn versus a king. K P(about to queen) has 1 second K has 5 seconds. Impossible to win now if you add the 0.1 minimum.

I did the 5-15 second challenge on chess.com as well and beat most of the players. At the end of the day you get good positions and the premoves become way easier.

WBM is 2500 on ICC and 2600 on chess.com- I fully expect him to win most time scrambles in any format. He has good internet, fast hand speed, and good premoves. These are all requisites for bullet chess on any server.
Far from any of us to even think you're not the top player in here, but think about the other players. For you, in your position, is easy to give some reasons, because you beat the c out of everyone here, Eric :) See my points?
#27 Great to have you on this thread - an honour for a GM to get involved in this discussion.

Regarding WBM on chess.com, I get "Member account closed" when I look up Whybemad ?!

For bullet chess, I am currently 2501 on Chess.com and on page 3 along with FM Zibbitvideos. I think I can get higher than this but I stopped after drawing 10-10 with IM Esserman. I noticed there by switching to Firefox it was much quicker. Prior to that I was mashed by Esserman in an earlier match. I do like being competitive on bullet and trying out experiments.

I am willing to get a Gaming mouse to try that, and maybe it will make a difference.

This topic has been archived and can no longer be replied to.