Any masters who started late

No to #209. These are serious points from @Sarg0n . The flaws are serious too.

A calculation. Assume a 30yo old 1500 player. Let him win 40 Elo points per year in average. In 20 years 2300 is reached. Now he is 50yo, has reached FM strength.

This shows how difficult it will be in real life to reach this strength and the dedication demanded. No quarrels in family, profession, health is not realistic to my experience, but it may happen. For me the only real goal is having fun and getting better in the understanding of a game, that is fascinating.

Btw in 2019 Nenad Djokc, *1958, got the IM title as the younger born *1968 Uwe Kersten. The latter gives here www.schachbund.de/news/uwe-kersten-trainer-des-jahres-2005.html the information he had "come to chess" 14yo. Now stays the question, what does this mean?

I guess the ultimate message is this:

Chess at this point is a hobby and it is a waste of time and energy to try to make it more then just a hobby. You probably have a better chance at being the next Youtube/Twitch star or the next Fortnite champion.

Even if I don't make it to master, I will still have loads of fun playing it. :)

@jupp53 Rating information about Kersten, Uwe ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4615646

@DerekMcGill

Thank you. My browser doesn't show the rating diagram and as far as I know FIDE starts showing the data from 2000 on now. Additionally I am member of a chess club here but it seems I cannot look into the rating history of players any more. In his case the data from 1986 and before would be critical for our discussion.

Maybe anyone can tell me what my mistakes are. I use firefox wtih add-blocking m-block-origin.

Edit: Found the chart. But the data starts from 2003. Has anoyone older data. I assume he was stronger than 2000 in his youth.

@jupp53 He entered the FIDE list in 1989, so he was 31 yo.

www.olimpbase.org/Elo/player/Kersten,%20Uwe.html

I guess you'd need to go back further in time by looking at the German federation archives.

Thank you all. If I get something interesting I will report that.

@DragonChess1 True true.

But I think it does show how incredible a child's brain is for learning.

And I think chess is closer to learning a language than a game.

Uwe Kersten: started 14 yo, 2 IM norms before 30. Trying to become IM for decades... „auf der Jagd“

http://www.schach-chroniken.info/hsv/whoiswho/uwe_kersten.htm

@rickrenegade

*tongue in cheek* Language IS a game.

Serious: Why should the brain have developed different learning mechanisms for language and games? And more important, how?

@Sarg0n

Thank you. I'll send him a mail, as he has a public mail@ and ask him for more.

Looks like over 2000 FIDE with 18 in at least.