I'm curious, so I can not claim draw with bare knights in OTB tournament?
@Entuzijasta said in #8:
> Your question here highlight my point, because the answer is the same: by clicking up to 50 moves in a game not remotely related to chess, which could be called - flagging.
> Lichess could be fancier than competition by solving this nonsense. Only dirtiest flaggers will be unhappy.
We're not changing the rules of the game just to accommodate a 30+0 clock setting; obviously the clock is the problem, not the game rules.
> Your question here highlight my point, because the answer is the same: by clicking up to 50 moves in a game not remotely related to chess, which could be called - flagging.
> Lichess could be fancier than competition by solving this nonsense. Only dirtiest flaggers will be unhappy.
We're not changing the rules of the game just to accommodate a 30+0 clock setting; obviously the clock is the problem, not the game rules.
Kindly quit arguing about the rules. We've all suffered through this kind of tedium enough around here.
@Entuzijasta said in #12:
> I'm curious, so I can not claim draw with bare knights in OTB tournament?
I believe you could under USCF rules, but not FIDE rules. Other federations, I don't know.
> I'm curious, so I can not claim draw with bare knights in OTB tournament?
I believe you could under USCF rules, but not FIDE rules. Other federations, I don't know.
@MrPushwood said in #14:
> Kindly quit arguing about the rules. We've all suffered through this kind of tedium enough around here.
1. I think it is better to ignore some topic than to suppress them.
2. Arguing about rules and ethics of game is the topic as old as chess itself. Can't be stopped ;)
The conclusion of this thread is that Lichess follows FIDE, and I should migrate my propositions accordingly.
> Kindly quit arguing about the rules. We've all suffered through this kind of tedium enough around here.
1. I think it is better to ignore some topic than to suppress them.
2. Arguing about rules and ethics of game is the topic as old as chess itself. Can't be stopped ;)
The conclusion of this thread is that Lichess follows FIDE, and I should migrate my propositions accordingly.
I agree that it makes sense to discuss the rules of the game. In my opinion, a position should under no circumstances be automatically called a draw unless it is impossible to checkmate. You call the checkmating possibility irrelevant, but this is subjective. If there were players that played perfectly, they might want to call the starting position a draw since no "sensible player" would lose that for either side.
@uzkuzk said in #17:
> I agree that it makes sense to discuss the rules of the game. In my opinion, a position should under no circumstances be automatically called a draw unless it is impossible to checkmate. You call the checkmating possibility irrelevant, but this is subjective. If there were players that played perfectly, they might want to call the starting position a draw since no "sensible player" would lose that for either side.
but look at the position i shared in #9. It is impossible to win but it is not an auto draw :(
> I agree that it makes sense to discuss the rules of the game. In my opinion, a position should under no circumstances be automatically called a draw unless it is impossible to checkmate. You call the checkmating possibility irrelevant, but this is subjective. If there were players that played perfectly, they might want to call the starting position a draw since no "sensible player" would lose that for either side.
but look at the position i shared in #9. It is impossible to win but it is not an auto draw :(
Yes, it's very hard to check to see if a win is possible for positions with many pieces, so I think autodraw is only needed for the following positions: K vs K, K+N vs K, K+B vs K, K+B vs K+B (same color bishops)
@Entuzijasta said in #1:
> If not automatic, at least when I click "1/2", draw should be given in KN vs KN? Or it should not? Mating possibility is not a valid argument.
Sadly, for no reason, FIDE will assume that you will either promote to a bishop or a knight and then accordingly to get your king in corner to get checkmated for no reason.
They just take the possible case instead of forced case into consideration.
Engines are better. They know it's dead draw.
> If not automatic, at least when I click "1/2", draw should be given in KN vs KN? Or it should not? Mating possibility is not a valid argument.
Sadly, for no reason, FIDE will assume that you will either promote to a bishop or a knight and then accordingly to get your king in corner to get checkmated for no reason.
They just take the possible case instead of forced case into consideration.
Engines are better. They know it's dead draw.
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